Star-Crossed Lovers - Anti-Valentine Theme

In this week's episode, Quizmaster Andi channels her inner bard and continues our Anti-Valentine theme with four tales of ill-fated couples. But one pair of star-crossed lovers is an Andi-original! Join hosts Sups and Tanner in trying to find the fake story and avoid getting your heart broken! 

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Andi 0:01

executed by ripping out their hearts.

Tanner 0:04

Oh

Andi 0:05

hardcore

Tanner 0:07

Sounds and so if she made this up, then she did a lot of good research

Andi 0:16

So they're literally star

Tanner 0:17

crossed. Oh,

Sups 0:19

it sounds. Very real. And that's where the trick part is. Like sometimes when it gets too real, then it's a work of art,

Andi 0:28

hello and welcome to this episode of the AHA of Known podcast, the trivia podcast that can't be trusted. Each week, our Quizmaster presents you with four big facts on a topic, but one of those facts is a lie. We are celebrating anti Valentine. For the month of February in protest of Valentine's Day. I don't know. Just doing something a little different. So this week your quizmaster is me, Andy, and I'm going to be doing a find the fake. Of star crossed lovers. So I will be presenting you with four pairs of star crossed lovers and They're tragic stories, but one of these I have invented, so John other hosts, soups and Tanner in trying to figure out which one it is. But before we get to that, let's start with our low hanging fruit. I hope this one's truly low

Tanner 1:17

All right.

Andi 1:18

The phrase star crossed lovers was coined in what English play.

Sups 1:23

one Romance. Juliet.

Tanner 1:25

Yeah. By Shakespeare,

Andi 1:26

Romeo and Juliet, by William Shakespeare. It's actually line six of the play. The line six is a pair of Starro lovers took their life. So this is in the

Tanner 1:36

Spoiler

Andi 1:37

Yeah, exactly.

Sups 1:38

Good. Thank you. Thank you for watching

Tanner 1:40

it.

Andi 1:41

Thanks,

Sups 1:41

Billy.

Andi 1:43

He basically, Gives you spoilers. He tells you what's gonna happen in the play.

Tanner 1:46

Mm-hmm. he was the first one to use this

Andi 1:48

He coined this phrase, as far as we know, star crossovers. Meaning that their stars, they were supposed to write your fate. They're misaligned. or they're crossed or aligned in a way where these lovers can never actually be together. So star, cross lovers, are lovers who usually meet a tragic end like Romeo and

Tanner 2:07

Juliet. Mm-hmm.

Andi 2:08

So these are kind of four Romeos and Juliets. Okay. If you will. I tried to pick really various sources, so we'll see. Are you ready?

Sups 2:17

Yeah.

Tanner 2:18

break our hearts.

Andi 2:19

I will. So star crossed lovers. Number one, Lagos and Rod.

Tanner 2:24

Sounds right off the bat.

Andi 2:27

Greek I took some liberties there. Lagos and Rod are much more commonly known as the hair and the rhododendron. They come from one of Asaps fables.

Tanner 2:37

Oh,

Andi 2:38

so Lagos is Greek four hair and Rod is for Rhododendron. So

Tanner 2:44

It's not the, tortoise in the hair. It's the rhododendron in the hair. It's a different story.

Sups 2:50

Mm-hmm.

Andi 2:50

Yeah. You might need to know some things about nature and plants for the story to make sense. But I'll tell you this

Tanner 2:57

story, Oh,

Andi 2:58

Okay, go for it. Because it's one of Aesop's fables. So, you know, it has a, moral and it's based off the world. So Lagos. loves eating Rose. But roses have thorns.

Sups 3:08

Mm.

Andi 3:08

So when he sees Rod with her beautiful rose like blooms, he falls in love, praising her for her beauty, he gorges himself, but spares her beautiful flowers. Only too late he learn that her bark is poisonous and he dies among her leaves, and she mourns as his body. It's a case basically

Tanner 3:31

so what's the moral don't eat

Andi 3:33

flowers. what do you think the moral is? Tanner

Tanner 3:35

don't eat flowers.

Andi 3:37

So ASAP usually wrote like a line about the moral. The moral is beauty always has a downside. Also, I think it's probably anti gluttony because like he like GOs himself

Tanner 3:48

then dies.

Andi 3:49

dies. Yeah. So the idea that like, Oh, here's a beautiful plant that I can eat and it's delicious without any downsides. There's no thorns,

Sups 3:58

I love that.

Tanner 3:59

Yeah.

Andi 3:59

rotor Andres are actually poisonous rabbits,

Sups 4:02

Oh,

Tanner 4:03

knew what he was talking about.

Sups 4:04

Okay. Okay.

Tanner 4:05

so yeah, this hair and rhododendron rod, they're star crossed.

Andi 4:11

They could never be

Tanner 4:13

there. Yeah. So either Asop really wrote that and it's real, or Andy wrote that and it's fake.

Sups 4:18

Yeah. But I do remember reading and. I'm not sure if I ever came across this one. Hmm, okay.

Andi 4:28

famous. I mean, If you don't know ASAP was a real dude. Yeah. And he lived in the first Centuries ad in Greece and he wrote these like little moralistic stories and actually many of them. Weren't translated into English right away. Mm-hmm. so like the most famous ones were, but there are some like weird, much lesser known ones I think like this one cuz I hadn't heard of it either.

Sups 4:51

Mm. Makes sense.

Tanner 4:52

Yeah. And it's very Greek to have like nature in there, so this is very believable to me. but I have to hear the other three

Andi 4:58

All right, so Sarro lovers number two. and gk the Weaver girl. And cow heard from Korea, So actually this story is originally Chinese. At least our oldest sources of the story are Chinese. But many, especially East Asian cultures, have their own version. So this is the Korean version, because I can say the names

Tanner 5:24

Nice.

Andi 5:26

Danielle and Gnu are the Weaver girl and Cowherd, So Jean She's the daughter of the sky king, so she weaves all of the clothes for all of the people inhabiting the sky. well one day her father was like, you're kind of lonely. It's time for you to get a husband. So marries her to Gnu, who herds cattle through the sky and they are. smitten they're super in love, and they are so happy and having such a great time together that they neglect their duties. So now all of the sky denizens are going naked and the cows are running rampant. Oh no. So the Sky King separates them and he puts them on either side of the Milky Way or the Silver River, and they're separated and they're so miserable that they cry and cry, and that brings the rains in this month.

Tanner 6:29

Ah.

Andi 6:30

But once a year, the mega pies and ravens take pity on them and fly to heaven to reunite. On Chills Sock. for one day. They get to be together again. before they're separated. And these figures in East Asian cultures in Korea, they represent what in Western tradition are the stars, Altair and Vega. and these are real stars in the sky and in the summer-ish months when chill, Salk usually is, they are both visible on either side of the Milky Way in the

Tanner 7:03

Ah. So you can actually see the lovers

Andi 7:06

So they're literally star

Tanner 7:07

crossed. Oh, that's a good one. That's pretty clever.

Sups 7:11

I mean, first of all, I applaud the king. Like he was a very moralistic king. Like, you know, Hey, you might be my daughter, but he's still got a job to do And if you know, if you ain't doing it like, you know, busy wasting your time,

Tanner 7:25

you gotta pay for it. Yeah.

Andi 7:26

I like how he is like, you're lonely. Let me give you a partner. Yeah. Oh, you're really only into this partner now. Okay, well that's a problem.

Tanner 7:34

What do you think was gonna happen? Yeah.

Sups 7:36

I feel like that's the story of like every Indian parent, cuz they're like chasing their kids to get married and then they're like, oh, you never call home anymore. Yep. I'm sorry, I'm busy.

Tanner 7:45

What do you do? You do Starting your family

Andi 7:48

how

Tanner 7:49

you?

Andi 7:49

How

Tanner 7:50

That's very interesting. I have never heard of the cowherd and the weaver.

Sups 7:56

Yeah. that's an interesting story. it sounds. Very real. And that's where the trick part is. Like sometimes when it gets too real, then you're like, yeah, then it's a work of art, like you know? Yeah. I dunno, you lived in Korea. Have you heard these

Andi 8:12

Yeah. I have not. I I was wondering if Tanner would remember these. No. Do

Tanner 8:15

Do

Andi 8:15

you remember Chills sock?

Tanner 8:16

That sounds familiar. You're

Andi 8:18

of Chok.

Tanner 8:19

Chok is a different holiday. Yeah.

Andi 8:21

Yeah. But it refers to the same thing. they're each, they're numbers. Moon,

Tanner 8:25

Ah.

Andi 8:26

chill sock. Is the seventh

Tanner 8:28

I thought it was seven something. I was like, Okay, so that explains why it's in the summer. And you said it's like East Asian,

Andi 8:36

So This is the Korean version, specifically. The Chinese version is older as far as we know and has. Small differences, but this specifically is the Korean version because I could read the Korean and Tanner and I lived there,

Tanner 8:52

Yeah. So the names to me sounded immediately Korean. Yeah, But I did not recognize them, you know, and so if she made this up, then she did a lot of good research because she, connected it to these very real sounding like chill sock it's a cool story. yeah, No's it's a cool story.

Sups 9:08

like this,

Tanner 9:09

believe that it's a story of this.

Sups 9:11

one of those stories. like, I want it to be

Tanner 9:13

true. Yeah. Like, yeah. It's very unique story.

Sups 9:15

Yeah.

Tanner 9:16

Hmm.

Sups 9:16

But, you know, we still have two more to go, so

Tanner 9:18

Yeah.

Andi 9:19

All right. So star crossed lovers number three, Pedro. And this is a real life pear. It is, So this is from Portugal. This is a real life story from the 14th century. at this time, Pedro or Peter, he was the infant, which is basically in The Portuguese royalty was the. Apparent. He's the Prince. Mm-hmm. So basically he's the prince and he was in line to be king next and he was married to stanza of Castile in order to fortify the relationship between those two countries. But he wasn't a big fan but her lady in Waiting De cashed through. he was in love with her and he had kids with both of them.

Tanner 10:07

Oh, okay.

Andi 10:08

stanza died in childbirth eventually. And so then Pedro was like, great, I'm gonna marry Eish now. Mm-hmm. And he is like, okay,

Tanner 10:17

wow,

Andi 10:18

not the best husband, you know? Yeah. But he is like, yeah, okay. I'm gonna marry Eish now. but the king, his dad, The fourth. He was like, no way. She's nobody. She's, she's not a, noble. She's, you have to marry someone noble. So he's like, no, you can't marry her. But Pedro wasn't having any of that. So he and Inish went and lived as if they were married. with their three children, and the king got really sick of that. So he ordered Inish murdered, and she was reportedly murdered in front of her children. Oh And so paid through, never forgave his father and led an uprising. Became king himself. Pedro, the first, and so he ordered i's murderers to be executed by ripping out their hearts.

Tanner 10:59

Oh wow.

Andi 11:00

Because he said that they broke his irredeemably so he would break theirs. hardcore Yeah. And he declared that he had actually married Inish secretly, so he declared that she was the. Had her reburied and named the only posthumous queen of Portugal, and they were eventually buried next to each other. And you can actually go see their real graves.

Tanner 11:26

Wow. That is quite the story.

Sups 11:29

I'm thinking this is an episode from Game of Thrones,

Tanner 11:33

you have these kings and princes the secret weddings.

Sups 11:37

But it's also 14th century,

Tanner 11:38

yeah. anything's possible. Yeah. I'm like kicking myself like, oh, how do I not know Portuguese history? Oh, well, it's the 14th century. I don't know. Crap from 14th century.

Andi 11:47

how many times have you been to

Tanner 11:48

Portugal Yeah, quite a lot. But

Sups 11:50

But wow. Okay. This is like, this. No, it's good. it has a buildup. the plot is nice. There's trauma, there's emotions, there's heartbreak. I like it just like a Bollywood.

Tanner 12:00

Or an episode of Game of Thrones a play

Andi 12:02

by Shakespeare Exactly. A Shakespearean play.

Tanner 12:04

much.

Sups 12:05

Yeah. Yeah. but

Tanner 12:06

the names do check out. Yeah. They are Portuguese names. Sure.

Sups 12:09

I mean, the setting is perfect for it to be a fake story.

Tanner 12:13

I'm very, very

Sups 12:16

Yeah. I

Tanner 12:16

Yeah. I

Sups 12:17

the first two were relatively convincing, but this one,

Tanner 12:20

I really like this

Sups 12:21

Yeah. I mean, the story is great. All

Tanner 12:23

One more to go. One more.

Andi 12:25

Star crossed lovers. Number four, Christian and Satine. these two come from a work of fiction.

Tanner 12:33

Okay.

Andi 12:34

It's set in the early 20th century in Paris. Satine is an actress and Cortisone who meets struggling writer Christian when she accidentally mistakes him for her client, who is the Duke of Monroe. they fall in love

Tanner 12:50

mm-hmm.

Andi 12:50

And in order to spend time with her, Christian convinces the theater owner to let him write a play for Satine to star in. The Duke finds out that Satine has been spending time alone with Christian and tries to have him kill. It is unsuccessful. Satine performs the show, So triumphantly, the crowd goes wild. Christian helps. He has to actually take part, but in the end, neither the Duke nor Christian gets satine for at the end of the show. She dies of consumption after the final act.

Tanner 13:24

No,

Andi 13:26

And

Tanner 13:26

it's truly tragic. She never gets to be with anyone in this story.

Andi 13:31

Nope. Oh man. It's up to Duke, I

Sups 13:34

gets For, a while. For a while. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Okay. Another tragic end.

Tanner 13:39

Sounds very

Sups 13:41

A very, very familiar. Very familiar. Like, I'm, there.

Tanner 13:45

the names. Don't jog my memory, but the,

Sups 13:48

the,

Tanner 13:49

The context and the setting. Yeah,

Sups 13:51

yeah, yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm.

Tanner 13:53

Thinking it's the Phantom of the Opera. Mm.

Sups 13:55

mm,

Tanner 13:56

I don't know anyone characters from that movie, and I've actually never read it. Never seen it. But I know parts. does, But Oh man. It is a thick plot.

Andi 14:06

Yeah. There's actually a lot more going on that I just ignored I was like, this is not the Lovers. This is the love story.

Tanner 14:11

Yes. Yeah. Hmm.

Sups 14:13

It's

Tanner 14:13

different from the other three stories. It's, not exactly for love, like you're married to someone already and you fall in love with someone else. And it's not exactly eating a bush of Ro Dendron

Sups 14:27

but Phantom of the Opera, I'm trying to think.

Andi 14:29

it's not

Tanner 14:30

Uh, no, it's not. It's not. I'm inclined to believe that it's a real work of fiction

Sups 14:35

No, it's there somewhere in the back of my mind. Okay. I can't think

Tanner 14:38

it. Sounds so familiar. Yeah. That's really tough. we have our work cut out for us here, before we decide which pair of Starro lovers is your own creation. Could you repeat the four pairs for us and we can decide

Andi 14:52

Yes. Starro lovers number one, Lagos and Rod Starro lovers number two, and Gnu star cross lovers Number three, paid through an. And Starc, cross lovers number four, Christian and Satine. One of those pairs I

Tanner 15:24

Hmm. Which one are you thinking is not real?

Sups 15:27

It's either two or three or four.

Tanner 15:31

You fully believe the hair in the

Sups 15:33

Yeah, I think, I think that's a cool one. That's a cool one. I wanna say that's real.

Tanner 15:37

Yeah.

Sups 15:38

Which one are you thinking?

Tanner 15:39

I. believe number one also.I like that one. Good. I agree that the Pedro and Ines one sounds a lot like Game of Thrones, that really. Makes me question that one. And the Christian's a teen one, the last one. It really sounds familiar. Yeah, I don't know. I think it's maybe one of those two.

Sups 16:00

I think number three is Game of Thrones. Yeah. Yeah.

Tanner 16:04

I'm gonna go with number four though.

Sups 16:06

Okay.

Tanner 16:07

Just cuz I think she's playing with us a little bit by not giving us all the details cuz I think she has something in mind. It's not from Pokemon, but it's something like, took two characters from something and

Sups 16:20

she and they may made up the

Tanner 16:21

the story Yeah.

Sups 16:22

why not the title No. Makes sense. I, I like how you're thinking about this. Yeah. I'm with you. Yeah, it's either three or four.

Tanner 16:28

Yes. Okay.

Sups 16:29

We've narrow narrowed it down. Either way we do. Okay. All right. Three or four

Tanner 16:34

asap

Sups 16:35

That'll be funny. Yes. The lies with number one. Yeah. Okay. Alright.

Andi 16:40

the lies is number

Tanner 16:40

one, no way, No way. No way.

Sups 16:46

This,

Tanner 16:46

oh my God. Oh, what a disaster.

Sups 16:48

Insane Wow.

Tanner 16:52

Wow. I did not see that

Sups 16:53

crazy. I, yeah, me knew it's like,

Andi 16:56

Wow. Wow. I'm sorry

Sups 16:58

I have train

Andi 16:59

you.

Sups 17:00

Wow. that that, that was Well

Andi 17:03

done. Okay. Do

Tanner 17:05

You want me to explain? Please. Do

Andi 17:07

please. Yes. Christian and Satine, yeah. Are the main characters. They really don't have last names in the movie Mulan Rouge.

Tanner 17:17

Oh, Yes. Mullan Rouge. She's a cortisone. He's a writer. Oh yeah. Guys of consumption The theater. Oh my. It's Embarra. Oh, I

Sups 17:29

that.

Andi 17:29

That's from Molan Rouge. That's why I did not write that. That's a work of fiction. All of that was the real movie, but it's Mulan Rouge. Yeah, Pedro is real life and apparently, as far as like history says, it's totally real that those

Tanner 17:45

guys

Andi 17:45

had their hearts ripped out.

Tanner 17:46

That's amazing. But when you were reading that, you noticed all the similarities to Game of Thrones, right? Yeah. But it kind of sounds like maybe George Arab Martin he

Andi 17:55

it's probably it's the other way around I think. yeah. probably. So the lie is Lagos Andora rhododendrons are not native to Greece, so ASAP could not have known that they existed,

Tanner 18:08

But it's such a Greek name.

Andi 18:10

It is Greek. This is a funny story. So it's Greek for rose. Rdo is for like rose and dendron means tree. But it was originally the name for Oleander. the Romans took this Greek name and in Latin Roto dungeon came to mean this plant, which is mostly from South and East Asia, though there are some. native varieties in the Americas as well. Mm-hmm.

Tanner 18:32

Oh Wow. They

Andi 18:33

them to Europe.

Sups 18:34

Mm-hmm.

Tanner 18:34

just definitely not Greece.

Andi 18:36

Yeah, not when ASAP was alive. Yeah. And then because only Ander are poisonous and Ro Dungeons are poisonous. They used that name. so does a Greek name, but the plant did not exist in Greece.

Tanner 18:49

Wow. makes Do rabbits really eat it?

Andi 18:51

No, it's poisonous to them.

Tanner 18:53

So the story wouldn't have even happened

Andi 18:55

So he couldn't have written I just came up with the idea because I was like, it was really hard to think of something that wasn't a thing already. Yeah. Like I was gonna have, like, they're secretly brother and sister, but then there's like, okay, there's Star Wars and What about plants? because I was thinking of Greek mythology where was like, okay, I'll start with what are plants that hate each other? They don't grow together. And then I couldn't find anything like that. And then it was plants to scare away rabbits. And I was like, okay, perfect. So it's a rabbit and a plant that the, oh, okay. That sounds like asaps fable. And that's, I just

Sups 19:25

nice

Tanner 19:25

there. Oh, that's so good. I love that way of thinking too, like they're Star Cross because it drives them away. Ugh.

Andi 19:32

done. Yeah,

Sups 19:34

I should have known

Tanner 19:35

Yeah, I should have known.

Andi 19:37

thanks for listening to this episode of the I Should Have Known podcast. We'll be continuing with our anti Valentine themes with more tragedy and heartbreak, and I hope you weren't as heartbroken as the boys with this episode. and as always, things twisting

Tanner 19:55

It's a naked Stampe.